hide. I know a few other interns who are former Big 4 auditors so it's not uncommon. It's a chicken and egg situation. My medium term career goal (>5 years) is gaining admission to a top 10 MBA program. Are you a URM? The total time commitment of this MBA is 300 hours. Do your due diligence and research the schools you want to attend and craft great essays. Ey offered me international tax ( fs ) while pwc offered me audit but refused to disclose details for team allocation results. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Be Excellent. PE/VC without some intermediate step like banking not so much. Also - don't get hung up on M7. Big 4 Audit is more debatable. Best of luck fellow steward to the capital markets! You're ok there. The Big Four accounting and audit firms – KPMG, Deloitte, EY and PwC – are in trouble like never before. Plus your GMAT! Everyone suffers from the stigma of audit, but that's always just how CPAs usually start off. So my university and big 4 firms in general act like working in audit at a Big 4 is so prestigious, so I bought into it... BW also ranked Big 4 as having top internship programs, best places to start your career, and etc, so I was even more convinced. My undergrad GPA was 3.7+ and based on practice gmat scores I will likely be in the 700-750 range. Don't have a ton of advice on pre-MBA jobs that the other posters haven't said but happy to answer any other questions you might have. Aim is MBB out of B-school so I was thinking about trying to transfer into the Big4 consulting arm (but my firm's consulting arm is considered very weak in comparison to others). If you are really committed to VC and PE, I would look into switching to your current firm’s transaction advisory services practice. Why I Chose Audit. I also expounded pretty heavily on how I wanted to build a foundation in my early career in an audit function (which is usually confirming the past and looking backward) but now I wanted to transition into banking/M&A (usually looking forward in an effort to predict the future). My ultimate goal (at least my thought now) is to be working in Private Equity/ VC as an investment professional. I think people in big 4 have to be realistic about being a CFO. Big 4 auditor is pretty vanilla WE for M7. Im 27. So, you read my blog post and decided to go work for a Big 4. I would say transferring to advisory/consulting would definitely set you up better, but again you still have a chance even coming straight from audit. Dude, c'mon. Also, you get put into a leadership position early on (senior 1 year sucks balls too, btw), so you can relaly build on how you've lead/coached younger auditors, solving problems between you/your subordinates/your managers or partners and the client. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. MBA Salary ; 15 More Industries Salary Data . M7 seems doable if you get some type of extra-curricular leadership going. The other problem with audit is there is no reward for getting work done faster. Big Four Accounting: Audit vs Tax (Originally Posted: 06/19/2014) I wanted to gather opinions on the ideal industry path within "Big Four" CPA firms. Facts: 740 GMAT. When I graduated in 2010, a lot of my fellow maths grads leaned towards the banks – specifically investment banking. Other possibility is going F500 finance role. Big 4 Accounting Firm jobs and internships are incredibly competitive. 3 years in Big 4 audit (Senior Associate) - Made peanuts. F200 corp fin internship. Please make sure to read our rules and wiki before posting. He went to a good but not exceptionally great undergrad (think Univ. If this isn't true how much work experience is needed to break into a top MBA. Using Glassdoor, Internet forums, this site, and I put together a spreadsheet and chart that shows the expected compensation one would get in a Big 4 firm over a 15 year period. July 5, 2016. I saw many people come in thinking they were going to recruit PE/VC and once they realized it was too unrealistic, they were scrambling to find internships (the ship had sailed for Consulting/IB). 16 comments . New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Out of all the CFOs I met during audit, none went straight from Public to CFO. They know how many other more qualified applicants are going after the same spots...why would any VC/PE pick you over someone with BB IB or MBB experience? Hello all. Your life is one airport after another, and you’ve sat in board rooms discussing tough challenges with Fortune 50 senior executives. I have a good GPA from a competitive school (west coast, top 5 public). 4-5 years experience. He was a generic tall, attractive, white male, from an upper-middle class background. Posts . They face a multitude of existential pressures all at once. My plan entering the Big 4 was to think of it as "further graduate education" insofar that I don't aspire for a career in financial reporting and this job would give … Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. The result was shit. Virtually no one gets PE/VC without prior buy-side experience, and even then it was tough. For the past four years, this 28-year … 3.9 MS accounting. share. I want to end up in MBB level consulting. Rest at a F1000 company internal audit/internal consulting. If you are a Big 4 Audit Manager considering a move, and you don't have a good handle on your opportunities, you have wasted a few years of your time. I tried my luck with my profession in India and abroad in middle east. I thought may be I was not having the correct working atmosphere and should be shifted into a more professional company. That will be much more interesting, relevant, and appealing work experience to MBA admissions and VC/PE recruiters...you’ll be doing due diligence on deals for VCs and PEs. I just took the GMAT and got a 770 (49Q, 46V). j.klem 29.09.2020. If you aren’t going to be partner, get the hell out.In a 2016 research paper published by the University of Tennessee, the authors outline average earnings through age 37 for CPAs in the following buckets:1) Never leave public 2) Leave after senior 3) Leave after managerNo surprise that those choosing to stay in public can expect to earn $ 56% Upvoted. HP says the third of the Big Four, KPMG, “audited” the deal; KPMG says it provided only a “limited set of non-audit-related services”. I second this. Check out Big 4 Accounting Audit - Interview Tricks & Tips. If you’re a sophomore and you’re finding yourself a lackluster candidate compared to your peers, it’s gonna be hard to beat them in the process without some sort of miraculous, stand-out trait (and the ability to prove it). I actually did (or would have done, had I not left for an MBA) exactly what you are proposing. You need to aim higher for GMAT, I would say 730+ judging by how GMAT averages are becoming absurdly high across the board as time goes on. Another aspect will be extracurricular involvement - something meaningful to you personally that you can speak to. Am I doomed to travel if I go Big 4 Audit, or just Audit in general? Gap Year Praktika Audit. ~3 at B4 in audit. Letters of rec matter in your situation too...do you have someone of credibility (eg partner whose engagements you’ve worked on a lot) who is gonna say you’re one of the best (in the ways MBA admissions defines best) young auditors they’ve ever seen at the firm in their 20 years? by: John A. Byrne & Sandy Kreisberg on July 05, 2016 | 43 Comments Comments 41,262 Views. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be … Looking to transition out of audit into another position before applying to M7 schools but not sure what the best move is. I have 3 years experience at a Big 4 accounting firm auditing asset management clients, am a licensed CPA and have passed level 1 of the CFA program (sitting for Level 2 in June). TE hier: würde später gerne ins Controlling Bzw in ein Finance Bereich.. Dachte Audit sei ein guter Anfang.. WiWi Gast schrieb am 04.07.2019: Habe ich mit folgendem Profil Chancen auf ein Audit Praktikum bei den Big4? KPMG, EY, PwC, and Deloitte are all well known, global brand names. 15% Audit>TS>IB; 40% Audit>TS>Top MBA>IB; 30% Audit> Top MBA>IB; 5% Audit>TS>CF>MBA/IB; Transfer to Transaction Advisory. Oder sollte ich noch einen Master und ggf. I just applied this cycle out of 4 years of B4 audit (headed to a T15 though, not M7). The most common path for someone B4 Audit looking to get into PE/VC would be to transfer into TAS, use that to get into b-school, then get into IB at the associate level. KPMG, EY, PwC, and Deloitte are all well known, global brand names. Quote of the Day Looking for all the quotes in one book? Below we’ve outlined the 7 steps to become a big 4 accountant. Hello - Former B4 auditor here (4 years exp at matriculation). Big Ten school (not NW). Your life is one airport after another, and you’ve sat in board rooms discussing tough challenges with Fortune 50 senior executives. Then you'd pretty much have to network your ass off making connections to eventually break into PE (which is insanely uncommon for post-MBA IB associates). However, that being said, I feel like my accounting background made technicals a breeze and many banks really liked the accounting background (generally the toughest concept for career changing MBAs to grasp). My undergraduate GPA was above a 3.9/4.0, and I'd like to know what you think my chances are of getting into M7 taking my work experience and GPA into consideration and assuming my GMAT score is within range (710 or so). antworten. Identify Your Goals The kids who get PE/VC jobs out of M7 likely had prior PE/VC experience. Big4 - Hallo, ich mache demnächst meinen Bachelor an der WHU fertig, vermutlich so 1,7. For what it's worth I had pretty much the same/worse profile (same GMAT but less prestigious undergrad). The TAS experience definitely paints a better/more realistic picture of transitioning into the investing world. Member. Now if this one seems kind of obvious, then just hear us out. Leadership and extracurricular is probably your best bet to differentiate yourself, provided there’s not something else already unique and compelling about your personal story. I had a bachelors/masters in accounting, was a CPA, and I too scored a 710. OP, I'm going to be blunt with you, as others have mentioned, unless you are a URM or have outstanding extracurricular, I think M7 with a 710 is pretty unrealistic. A couple years of Big 4 audit + CPA is a very easy way to live an upper middle class lifestyle working 9-5, which most people are very content with. I think you need to either work on crafting a realistic story or altering the trajectory of your current job to fit your PE/VC goals like what was said in the other reply above mine. Would get my MBA again in heartbeat. Graduated from a T10 school 5+ years ago and have been in BB IB since. I am a Big 4 auditor headed to M7 with 3 years WE. So, get involved with something now that you’re passionate about and can knock out some tangible accomplishments over the next couple years. If I were you, I would make a change ASAP. You're ok there. We hope you find it useful if you're considering an application to PwC or any of the other ‘Big Four’ firms. Source: 3.3/720, B4 Audit > industry accounting > MM TAS > headed to T10. This is living hell I hate this so much, I come home back every night at 8 in complete depression and anxiety, this is the equavlient of being a slave in the 21st century. Moreover to achieve my consulting dreams would an MBA be worth it at all? Viewing 13 posts - 1 through 13 (of 13 total) Author. 77% Upvoted. Two things to consider: ... No pun intended, the Big 4 are big. Learn about MBA programs, applying to them, and what life is like while in one and afterwards. It’s true. Everybody here has fake ass phony personalities and pretends everything is amazing and alright, only bullshitting themselves. Masters in Accounting, Finance, MBA, etc. Sorry for the delayed response. report. Your goal of PE/VC is not super believable/realistic coming out of big 4 audit and admissions probably won’t bite on that. I would suggest spinning your audit career REALLY well into what you want to do post-MBA. Using Glassdoor, Internet forums, this site, and I put together a spreadsheet and chart that shows the expected compensation one would get in a Big 4 firm over a 15 year period. You could get hired as an accountant before you even know how to do the job. Posted by 1 day ago. ... Reddit Suuuuuuucks +47 OFF by 2nd Year Analyst in Sales & Trading - Other"> Analyst 2 in S&T - Other. Preparing for them can take years of school, clubs, and other accomplishments. I have 3 years experience at a Big 4 accounting firm auditing asset management clients, am a licensed CPA and have passed level 1 of the CFA program (sitting for Level 2 in June). This topic has 12 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 6 years, 1 month ago by klink24. I would continue trying for that route, if I were you. Like really well. WiWi Gast 28.09.2020. There was nothing that I could tell about him that would be special. I didn't go M7 but I'm interning at MBB, so it's definitely possible. 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